tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.comments2023-10-26T06:35:55.278-05:00Illicit Cultural PropertyAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00815004368881797395noreply@blogger.comBlogger707125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-67660027213251851662013-04-09T02:46:59.479-05:002013-04-09T02:46:59.479-05:00Nice post, I appreciate you and your post is very ...Nice post, I appreciate you and your post is very informative for me. I would like to read your next post. Thanks for creating this great post.<br /><a href="http://www.proptiger.com/b-accent-properties-projects.php" rel="nofollow">Accent</a> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817050308503188859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-27682177418466162132013-04-07T01:02:02.678-05:002013-04-07T01:02:02.678-05:00"But the difficulty with both of those legal ..."But the difficulty with both of those legal options is the problem of proof."<br /><br />Ah, that nasty problem of lack of proof... This is of course the key sentence in the article -- the claim that these items were stolen are not supported by any proof. Anyone can make arbitrary accusations and claims, but in America those who are accused of wrong are considered to be innocent until proven guilty. Thank goodness for the rule of law...<br /> Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00850582857478120764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-7605514723768140692013-04-01T16:04:41.945-05:002013-04-01T16:04:41.945-05:00thanks for the posting of this very upsetting news...thanks for the posting of this very upsetting news.JABeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198359171261681468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-38689656399393514762013-03-11T07:39:56.330-05:002013-03-11T07:39:56.330-05:00I appreciate you Sharing this Post
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On ...Life in prison? No way, deport them somewhere. On a scale of crimes, murder being 10, culture crimes are a 4, if that much.elkhornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00288261894257241612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-75909306242342866052013-01-30T13:47:56.247-06:002013-01-30T13:47:56.247-06:00The Eakin piece is a confirmation that there are s...The Eakin piece is a confirmation that there are still many highly educated and uneducated persons in Western countries who do not understand or accept that taking or holding the property, including cultural property, of another, is wrong. That there is not only a legal but also a moral obligation to return stolen or looted artefacts appears complicated for some.<br /><br />I used to think that the New York Times was a paper of the US American elite. Is that how their minds work? I would have thought that we should all now praise the American museums, like the Getty, the Met, Dallas Museum and others that have seen the light and are now willing to examine their past acquisitions and where necessary, return wrongfully acquired artefacts to the owners. Eakin seems to think the museums have returned too many objects and have been weak in resisting foreign pressures.<br /><br />Does Eakin not read regularly the New York Times and other American papers and blogs? He would have been aware that the US Museums have not simply returned artefacts on request but have resisted for years. He would also have realized that there are thousands of objects in US museums that are still subject to dispute. What leadership does Eakin and his paper hope to provide?<br /><br />8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888<br /><br />It is surprising to read from “A Short Message About Museums And Antiquities” by Judith Dobrzynski in artifo.com that those who are reclaiming their stolen or looted cultural artefacts are committing extortion. Can the author really mean that a goverment such as that of Turkey, by stating that it would not loan artefacts to those museum holding illegally Turkish artefacts, is committing extortion? Extortion, according to normal usage, implies the use of force or intimidation to obtain money or other advantage which one could not normally be entitled to. I know of no case where this would apply to those who demand the return of their property. One could as well say that a bank that refuses to make further loans until the earlier ones are paid, is committing extortion. But this is not normal understanding of the word.<br /><br />“Meanwhile, the looting that these cases were supposed to stop has gone on, possibly getting worse.” I do not recall anyone suggesting that the restitution of looted/stolen object would stop looting. Which government presented the cessation of looting as ground for requesting restitution of an art object?<br /><br />How can anybody, familiar with the situation regarding the recent restitutions by US American institutions, consider the views expressed by Eakin as reasonable? He is suggesting that the American museums have gone too far in restituting looted/stolen foreign cultural artefacts. Is this what you consider a reasonable position? We know that there still many more such artefacts that have not yet been returned to their countries of origin as the United Nations and the UNESCO have been urging for decades. The recent General Assembly resolution on return of cultural property, sponsored by more than 100 States, including the United States, urged the return of such cultural objects.<br /><br />The last quotation is simply amazing “But in zealously responding to trophy hunting from abroad, museums are doing little to protect ancient heritage while making great art ever less available to their own patrons”. To describe Italy, Turkey, Greece, Nigeria, Peru and other States seeking the return of their looted/stolen cultural artefacts as trophy hunters <br />DR.KWAME OPOKUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807521316037049823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-10298856856611522342012-12-29T00:33:07.743-06:002012-12-29T00:33:07.743-06:00bit harsh and hypocritical... Is this not a case o...bit harsh and hypocritical... Is this not a case of double standards? Wishing Greece would go with the same intention after the international fences with their 'respected' galleries who usually get away, when caught red handed, with a slap on the wrist.<br /><br />Greece you can do better than this... grow some balls and go after the real culprits, the ones who buy or commission from the poor suckers you just jailed for life! Need some names and examples? Just say the word!<br /><br />michel van rijn<br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08446330549690717359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-89318694773998232862012-12-19T01:38:01.287-06:002012-12-19T01:38:01.287-06:00I have argued for years in almost all my articles ...I have argued for years in almost all my articles that withholding the cultural artefacts of a people is a permanent violation of their human right to independent cultural development and practice. In one of the articles I stated: “Westerners must finally accept that the stealing, directly or indirectly, the cultural objects of others, constitutes a violation of their human rights and in the case of funeral objects such as the “vigango”, a violation of their religious rights. The greed of some for exotic art cannot be placed above the human rights of others."<br />http://www.museum-security.org/2009/01/africans-need-african-cultural-objects-more-than-europeans-and-americans/<br /><br />In another article, I wrote," The withholding of the cultural objects of the Chinese, for whatever reason, is in itself a violation of the human rights of the Chinese to culture and cultural development as foreseen in Article 22 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948). Moreover, the social and cultural development envisaged in Article 6 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1988) can hardly be achieved if a State or community is deprived of its cultural objects".<br />http://www.modernghana.com/news/203909/1/is-it-not-time-to-fulfil-victor-hugos-wish-comment.html<br /><br />Faced squarely to determine whether withholding cultural object of another nation is a violation of their human rights, a court that is properly and adequately advised, cannot but come to the conclusion that the withholding is a gross violation of a human right. Is cultural development not the great distinction between humans and animals?DR.KWAME OPOKUhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10807521316037049823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-35200889105087499532012-08-23T09:12:51.054-05:002012-08-23T09:12:51.054-05:00"Yet the pinnacle of their artistic achieveme..."Yet the pinnacle of their artistic achievement, the Parthenon"<br /><br />I would be interested to know the criteria on which you judge it so, rather than, say, Delphi, or Olympia? <br /><br />I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but I think it's unsupported statements like that which are in some ways a major part of the problem. The article sounds very interesting though, and it's great you're looking for a way forwards from the terrible impasse.elcunliffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06557691898512081802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-36197943236403502362012-07-21T06:26:31.031-05:002012-07-21T06:26:31.031-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Malta Propertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13306512131777959252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-68287133287376757592012-07-11T04:16:17.879-05:002012-07-11T04:16:17.879-05:00"(Peter, if you are reading, I'm happy to...<i>"(Peter, if you are reading, I'm happy to read a first draft)"</i><br /><br />and for less than half a percent of what he made on the sale of the rest of the coins, perhaps he can find someone to draft it for him.Paul Barfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443302899233809948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-37110149629996434942012-07-03T22:10:43.274-05:002012-07-03T22:10:43.274-05:00Hi Derek! Good post indeed. To add my two cents to...Hi Derek! Good post indeed. To add my two cents to what you've written, I also blogged about this tragic occurrence today, found at http://itsurfaceddownunder.blogspot.comDamien Hufferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01808464886332759165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-28166866226147717222012-07-02T10:53:56.326-05:002012-07-02T10:53:56.326-05:00Federal prosecutors have now filed a notice of app...Federal prosecutors have now filed a notice of appeal. http://culturalheritagelawyer.blogspot.com/2012/06/notice-of-appeal-filed-by-us-attorney.htmlRick St. Hilairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12454468681431304027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-70808100460056706592012-06-30T22:43:07.255-05:002012-06-30T22:43:07.255-05:00Your pictures look extremely familiar, as I was th...Your pictures look extremely familiar, as I was there on May 25th of this year, walking about. (I'm preparing a grad seminar on Etruscan history.)Mathetriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00719621146034575098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-36430253455289857672012-06-22T11:04:07.855-05:002012-06-22T11:04:07.855-05:00The last photo is almost exactly the same as a pho...The last photo is almost exactly the same as a photo I took in the summer of 1973 when I was with a group from Trinity College of Hartford, CN's Rome Campus. We excavated a previously looted tomb at Cerveteri. "Our" tomb entrance started out looking exactly like that.<br /><br /><br />Al Schlaf<br />Des Moines, IAAl Schlafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15766699676633611134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-6004632747847509242012-05-31T03:10:09.155-05:002012-05-31T03:10:09.155-05:00Exactly right about photos of the goddess and the ...Exactly right about photos of the goddess and the krater (though the photos of Medici and Hecht triumphantly posing by the Krater in New York may count?). But there were poloroids linking individuals to known objects which had been looted, and tying those objects from Museums to dealers and ultimately looting via the organigram. <br /><br />The Standard of proof for Turkey would be a preponderance, but given the use of forfeiture and other far less expensive (and more effective) measures like public pressure, a direct suit would probably not be likely given the initial expense Turkey would bear in bringing the legal actions.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00815004368881797395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-57736698239319293512012-05-30T14:35:29.902-05:002012-05-30T14:35:29.902-05:00Worth noting: there were no Polaroids of the Euphr...Worth noting: there were no Polaroids of the Euphronios krater or the Getty's Aphrodite. Correct me if I'm wrong, Derek, but if Turkey did file a civil suit for the seizure of the objects, the burden of proof would be a preponderance of the evidence, ie 50% plus 1.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08475506571387657315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-55041203061540289102012-05-19T05:55:10.212-05:002012-05-19T05:55:10.212-05:00Shubhkamna Legend - a new residential project lo...<a href="http://www.proptiger.com/p-shubhkamna-legend-sector-150-noida.php" rel="nofollow">Shubhkamna Legend</a> - a new residential project located in Sector 150 Noida Expressway. 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I do appreciate your frankness and your passion.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.2bproperties.com/" rel="nofollow"><b>Property Agents Edinburgh</b></a>.Adam Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10032097371248121545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-57875042043392783032012-04-27T11:44:17.496-05:002012-04-27T11:44:17.496-05:00That's news to me, I've not heard of that ...That's news to me, I've not heard of that kind of a collector/smuggler/buyback in China. I'd point to the Durham theft as a far more likelier scenario, as I think does Dick. I do think the Chinese art trade at least on paper has far more regulation than any other nation, and the claims that China is a free-for-all for looted objects have been unsupported.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00815004368881797395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35183976.post-630171920204975872012-04-27T11:17:27.994-05:002012-04-27T11:17:27.994-05:00I suppose I should be asking this of Dick directly...I suppose I should be asking this of Dick directly, but I am not as sure as he is that these items were not stolen to order by a Chinese collector. We know that within China itself collectors have paid for locals to dig up artifacts, and for smugglers to take them out of the country so that the collectors can "buy" them abroad and bring them back into China. It is not that big a step to imagine one of the many new millionaires in China thinking it might be easier just to have someone break in and steal from Western museums items that moreover from the Chinese viewpoint really belong in China. I am not saying this is more likely than the scenario Dick paints but it is not beyond the range of possibility.Larry Rothfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525764497697221380noreply@blogger.com